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We received mail presenting a discussion on copyrights after receiving condolences for Mr Stout concerning the files kept at the Internet Cemetery at the politics department of this site. One may send an e-mail from the feedback page.



 

INTERNET CEMETERY

 

Dear Webmaster,

 

Your site was registered at the Site: Books for happiness and Success by James Harvey Stout . This site will be terminated from the first of februari 2000. The page where your site is listed called Websites Of Pschology and Personal Growth has together with the rest of the site been buried at The Internet Cemetery at:

http://internet-cemetery.virtualave.net/

The site is kept as it is out of respect for the deceased webmaster and is still available in its original form. Later on the site-corpse will -with lacking public interest- be ' cremated' and archived in a zip-file with a 'tombstone' reference. The motto for the cemetery is:

" Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

The Internet Cemetery is a new free service and the site of Mr Stout is the first to be archived there. For more info please come and visit the deceased to pay your respect at the buried-page of the Cemetery.

Please change your bookmarks and/or other links to the resting place of the Harvey Stout pages where your site is linked up:

former address:http://www.james-harvey-stout.com/link-psy-a.htm

new address: http://internet-cemetery.virtualave.net/h/link-psy-a.htm

 

Or to his mainpage:

former address: http://www.james-harvey-stout.com/

new address: http://internet-cemetery.virtualave.net/h/

This service is offered to you by The Order (http://www.introweb.nl/~theorder), a non-profit participation-platform for the science, spirituality and politics of an alternative time-consciousness.

 

For The Order: T.H.E. Servant

 

 Apr 15 2001

Name: Sarah Miriam Stout

Replyemail: Athena194@hotmail.com

Comments: It means so much to me that you have kept my father's works up. I'm so glad that I have a place to see his writing and that other people may see it too. I don't quite know what to say, except thank you.

 

Sincerely,

Sarah Stout

Daughter of James Harvey Stout

 

Apr 19 2001

replyemail = taustinne@aol.com

comments = To whom this may concern:

 

Hi, my name is Tracy Meyer. I am doing a mythology project on Shoulao, a Chinese mythological figure. I have found information on a website by James Harvey Stout. However, I don't know the copyright date on the website (http://internet-cemetery.virtualave.net/h/myth-cul.htm).

Please reply back before Friday, April 20, 2001, because my project is due on April 24, 2001. I would greatly appreciate your kind assistance in this project.

 

Sincerely,

Tracy A. Meyer

 

 

We couldn't answer this mail in time, but the pages of Mr Stout say:

"All of the material on this website is now free. It is now in the public domain. Please take whatever you want: You may download the digital books, and share them with other people. You may copy the pages (and the digital books) to put onto your own website. You may use the chapters (or just the ideas) in your own books. You may use the songs and poems, if you want them.

The chapters of the books were not registered at a copyright office. Some of the songs and poems were registered at the U.S. Copyright Office, but I now release the copyright; you may use the songs and poems without paying royalties.

I have been very ill. By the time you read this, I will be dead. I believe that my ideas are worthwhile, and I hope that my work was not in vain. I wish you well.

I have paid for this website to remain online until February, 2000. But I don't know whether Virtualis (the hosting service) will honor a contract with someone who has died, so please do not delay in taking the material that you want."

 

 

From:   Nathan Sassover <nsassover@earthlink.net>

Date:   Tue, 29 May 2001 11:51:07 -0700

To:   condolences.stout@kozmail.com

Subject:   James Harvey Stout

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Our company took over the James Harvey Stout site last year from Virtualis in StudioCity, Ca. We own the domains, James-Harvey-Stout and JamesHarveyStout.com and intend to carry on the dissemination of his work thru these sites. Could you please help in working w/us in assuring his work continues to be available to those individuals and sites linking to you for hispublications.

We would like to resolve this asap so that Stout's work is not in the 'cemetary' but lives on thru our efforts. We look forward to hearing from you so that readers can actually find the work at the official sites for James Harvey Stout.

 

Sincerely,

Nathan Sassover

JamesHarveyStout.com

323 850 3782-direct tel

 

From:   "Maureen Monette" <m.monette@home.com>

Date:   Sat, 19 May 2001 02:52:30 -0400

To:   <condolences.stout@kozmail.com>

Subject:   Re: condolences James Harvey Stout

 

Can anyone out there send me personal information about James Harvey Stout? None of his e-books give any info about him.I've searched in vain and would like to know a bit about him. Where did he live? How old was he when he died? Did he leave a family behind? Where did he work? etc.

 

                                    Much appreciated, Maureen Monette

 

Date:   Sat, 19 May 2001 00:55:22 -0400

To:   <condolences.stout@kozmail.com>

Subject:   Re: condolences James Harvey Stout

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Just came across the works of James Harvey Stout this evening. I feel as if I've wandered into a wondrous goldmine. What a precious man. I was so touched by his final words and gift of all he was to the world via the "public domain."

 Thank you James. YOU have helped me already. And I'm so glad your words have been preserved on the Internet Cemetery for all to consult and learn from. Thank you also for your gifts of poetry and music. Your family must be so proud of you.

And thanks to virtualave.net for preserving these great works.

 

                                        Maureen Monette,   Ottawa, Canada

 

Date:   Tue, 8 May 2001 20:13:47 EDT

To:   condolences.stout@kozmail.com

Subject:   Re: condolences James Harvey Stout

 

Thanks! for maintaining this sight, so that Mr. Stout's work can continue to be shared with the world. I was in the process of printing his books when the sight stop responding. Do you know if Mr. Stout was a member of Eckankar?

Thanks again?

 

Kathy Krantz

 

Date:   Tue, 8 May 2001 20:13:47 EDT

To:   condolences.stout@kozmail.com

Subject:   Re: condolences James Harvey Stout

 

Thanks! for maintaining this sight, so that Mr. Stout's work can continue to be shared with the world. I was in the process of printing his books when the sight stop responding. Do you know if Mr. Stout was a member of Eckankar?

Thanks again?

 

Kathy Krantz

 

Date:   Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:39:31

To:   condolences.stout@kozmail.com

Subject:   Re: condolences James Harvey Stout

Hi,

I'm married to a relative of "Jimmy". His passing was a profound loss to his family and everyone is deeply saddened by it.

Are these condolence messages going to his family memebers? How did you come across his work? Are you a family member?

 

Thank you.

TomZ

 

Dear adherent of Mr Stout,

 

The Internet cemetery has now moved to http://theorderoftime.com/politics/cemetery/

From there the work of James Harvey Stout can be found.

 

Webmaster the Order of Time

 

from: Nathan Sassover <nsassover@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:31:47 -0700

To: the Order of Time

Onderwerp: Re: Internet Cemetery has moved!

 

Could you please provide me w/ your fax number and address?

Thanx

Nathan Sassover

 

dear Mr sassover

 

We have no fax address and operate solely by e-mail. Our address we keep secret against unwanted mailings. If you state for which purpose you need our address we can give it by exception.

 

Webmaster the Order of Time

 

 

 

From: Nathan Sassover <nsassover@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:04:14 -0700

To: The Order of Time

Subject: Re: our address...

 

We are required as a result of becoming the official source for the work of James Harvey Stout, to send formal notice as well as legal disclosure with respect to the matters related to the work of Mr. Stout, which we are requesting you delete from your site.

The intellectual property issues are in legal evaluation and our work over the past two years is in conjunction with those most familiar with Mr. Stout, and it is in your interest to avoid any further exposure, we ask you comply with our requests.

Please provide your address so we may send the formal notice as is required.

Not providing this information will in no way affect our ability to prevail and further pursue you as a result. We would strongly advise you recognize the issues surrounding this matter and read the letters we will forward to you.

In the absence of your cooperation, we will be forced to make direct contact with the service providers who are hosting Internet Cemetery.

 

Sincerely,

Nathan Sassover

 

 

Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001

Dear Sir,

 

We have forwarded your mail to the family of Mr stout. They are the legal heirs and own the copyrights. We think you've been had by Virtualis selling the rights. You only bought the domainname, not the rights on the contents of the site. You will also have to pay the family of mr Stout for any profits you make and you cannot block any non-profit services, like ours, to this work. There are more people engaged in this we know. We are not the only ones. Mr. stout himself determinded it thus. You have no legal ground for your claim thus. We will respect as the last word in this what the family says about this, and they are perfectly happy and thankful thus far, that no one exploits the Stout material, but that it is kept in love. So respect the dead we'd say. We are determined to remember them and live in peace with it. That is our mission. If you still insist, you will have to contact a laywer. When he sends us a legally sound report on the matter disproving or overruling Mr Stouts last will, as published on the Net, then, and only then, with also the family of Mr Stout behind you, we wil concede.

 

Contacting our sponsors will not help you out as there is no official court order of copyright, legal proof of your representing the heirs or other say in this from your side. As far as we have experienced, and received mail, everybody is perfectly happy with our service, and thus we will maintain it by principle. And if you manage to intimidate a provider of us into negative action, we will simply upload with another. Long live the free information Highway. Good day.

 

Webmaster The Order of Time

 

 

from: "Sarah S" <athena194@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 06:58:33 +0000

To: the Order of Time

Subject: Re: copyright issue on your fathers work

Thank you so much for informing me of this issue. I'm a bit outraged that someone actually tried to claim copyrights on my dad's work (though I love your response--kind of a slap in the face, really ). At the time of his death, the notice that all of his work would become public domain was posted all over his site. As for this person working "in conjunction with those most familiar with Mr. Stout," he seemed to skip over the author's daughter. Real bright. So anyway, I am very much in support of your actions. It means so much to me that you are preserving my father's work. I did not know him well, and I have not had a chance to see much of his writing. Having this available to me is very special, and I'm glad that you take this service so seriously. I suppose one question I would like to ask is how long his writing will be available on your site. Anyway, thank you so much!

Sarah S.

 

Dear Sarah

 

Virtual Avenue cancelled the Internet Cemetery account. They gave no reasons, but we presume it was because of the fact that they do not permit storage of files. Well, to our opinion their banner could be seen clearly enough with all pages free accessible. Is a deceased webmaster 'storage' from now on? We don't think so. The knowledge is as much alive as their own soul is. Maybe Mr Sassover succeeded in lying to them about the copyrights that i would have violated. But that's all politics.

So we continue with bravenet.com where your fathers work is now stored. The music-files though are kept accessible from elsewhere as bravenet did not support RA-files or zipfiles. They have a better spirit though of respecting the content of their members and also their banner policy is less obtrusive. The quick downloads in zip-format of the books are thus not available at the moment. To protect the Internet Cemetery itself against the whims of commerce we have taken the site into our base-domain theorderoftime.com under de department of politics. Thus we will maintain the Cemetery Itself as long as we can maintain the site. I'm not over 50, thus that might take a few decades at least. Your fathers work though we may have to relocate so now and then since we depend on the goodwill of sponsors to keep up the service. Sponsors tend to be as said whimsical and unstable in their serving the Mammon. We ourselves, although being a .com are purely non-profit and do not engage in commercial business depending on private support only. There is little we can do about the caprices of commerce. We simply have to learn to live with it lest we find a way to have it on a server of our own. But in the long run we don't think that is feasable. Archiving is a major task even just archiving what is in our own interest, just like any church having its own graveyard of loyals. Maybe the government will someday have a law to protect the work of deceased webmasters. Someday indeed also our site must end. Archiving or respecting the dead is also a duty of state after all.

 

Wishing you all happiness,

 

Webmaster the Order of Time

 

N.B. To keep our visitors informed about all this, we consider to publish, unless you object of course, these mailings on our discussions page under information.